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Discussion Title: Acura Nsx R-GT vs R34 Nismo Z-Tune
| jcsaleen |
2005-06-19 21:44:00 |
| slideways... |
2005-06-19 21:46:00 |
Re: Acura Nsx R-GT vs R34 Nismo Z-Tune
oooo nice
1/4mile-skyline
tsukuba-NSX
fuji speedway-close but id say skyline
oval track-NSX
touge-close but id say NSX
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| ludespeed501 |
2005-06-19 21:51:00 |
Re: Acura Nsx R-GT vs R34 Nismo Z-Tune
This is tough, I chose the NSX R-GT though only because there is a 965 lb. difference between the 2 cars. NSX is a hell lot lighter!!
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| kman10587 |
2005-06-20 00:05:00 |
Re: Acura Nsx R-GT vs R34 Nismo Z-Tune
Oh look, the ultimate R34 is still an overweight, hideous-looking pig! NSX, please.
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| TatII |
2005-06-20 00:05:00 |
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let me fill you guys in on more specs on the Z tune, the Z tune has the same crank as the JGTC500 car, its has a 2.8 liter engine, it has improved intake manifold design, alot of titanium was used, it has a full interior, it has 6 pot special custom brembo brakes, it has oil coolers for the differentials, the wide body work is carbon fiber.
this car runs 10.1 in the 1/4 at the test track. the 500hp is severly underated. this car will run circles around the nsx.
the car with the tires it comes with can pull 1.6 G's on deceleration, it comes with custom adjustable sachs coil-overs, and with a custom and more aggressively tuned attesa ets to accommidate the extra power.
this is a a completely re worked car using only the best parts. the nsx is nothing more then a nsx-r with different body work and a wider stance, but mechanically its identical to the nsx-r. the only reason why honda built this car was becasue the JGTC 500 NSX's was gettin owned, even this year after they started boosting the engine, they were gettin their ass kicked by the Z's and the supras. and before the Z's time, they were gettin their ass handed to them by the GTR and supras.
honda was forced to use different aerodynamic tricks to put into their nsx but the rule would not allow it to be put on the car unless similar body work is put on a street going version. that is honda's sole reason for building it. they dont' care if they sell 0 cars, that car is only put out so they can use the new body work at the race track.
my vote goes to the Z-Tune, the pinnacle (sp) of japanese imports by a long shot. the honda is waaay over priced, it has so little gain in performance over the standard r, yet it cost roughtly 5x's the amount. that is a pure joke. atleast the gt-r is fully reworked down to the chassis welding.
__________________ finally 13.5 psi with a JWT ecu and nismo 555cc injectors. new power estimate ?????????
new mods include removed fan clutch, larger 3 inch exhuaust, and a larger front mounter intercooler.
95 nissan 240sx KA24DE turbo.
232 wheel hp and 254 ft lb of torque at the wheels @9psi wow thats as much power at the wheels as a 350Z!
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| kman10587 |
2005-06-20 01:34:00 |
Re: Acura Nsx R-GT vs R34 Nismo Z-Tune
Who cares if the Z-Tune is faster? Of course it's faster, it's a rough-and-ready, stripped-down race car. The NSX is more exclusive, more involving to drive, better-looking, more comfortable, and a hell of a lot more classy.
Even though these are both race car versions of lesser models, I don't think they belong in the same comparison. The Z-Tune is a street-legal race car; the NSX R-GT is a daily-drivable exotic with some minor performance enhancements. Two different purposes, two different cars.
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| drunken monkey |
2005-06-20 06:11:00 |
Re: Acura Nsx R-GT vs R34 Nismo Z-Tune
so... this is a comparison between a highly tuned car and a car that only has a new body for homologation purposes.
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| jcsaleen |
2005-06-20 09:37:00 |
Re: Re: Acura Nsx R-GT vs R34 Nismo Z-Tune
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Originally Posted by drunken monkey
so... this is a comparison between a highly tuned car and a car that only has a new body for homologation purposes.
Well the news body and the forced induction which really doesn't make a difference because the power an litre are still the same. The nsx R-GT is being used as a shortcut towards futher development on the JGTC nsx's.
The Jgtc wouldnt allow the new style nsx compete (Nsx R-GT) because the series is only mean't for PRODUCTION cars. So they took the easy way out and said hey we made 30 of them to sell to the general public and they did. Now the R-GT is elegable for the JGTC.
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| drunken monkey |
2005-06-20 10:28:00 |
Re: Acura Nsx R-GT vs R34 Nismo Z-Tune
yes.
i know.
my point was, this is a comparison between a car that has gone through a tuning process and one that has not.
given the money i'd go for a good ol' regular nsx-r
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| TatII |
2005-06-20 11:20:00 |
Re: Re: Acura Nsx R-GT vs R34 Nismo Z-Tune
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Originally Posted by kman10587
Who cares if the Z-Tune is faster? Of course it's faster, it's a rough-and-ready, stripped-down race car. The NSX is more exclusive, more involving to drive, better-looking, more comfortable, and a hell of a lot more classy.
Even though these are both race car versions of lesser models, I don't think they belong in the same comparison. The Z-Tune is a street-legal race car; the NSX R-GT is a daily-drivable exotic with some minor performance enhancements. Two different purposes, two different cars.
the Z tune is not a stripped down race car, it has a full interior with alcantara trim. it probrably still has more amenities then the nsx-r. thats the most impressive part about it, because its not a stripped down race but, but a full interior car that can put a hurting on almost any car out there on the road.
this car is designed to be able to run all out for 30 minutes at a time. thats very stout for a street car.
look at the hardware that goes with it.
they spot welded all the seams to make the chassis stronger without having to add a roll cage. look at the beautiful workmen ship. and that titanium strut tower brace.
carbon fiber body work with a widen stance with custom nismo lm gt4 rims by rays engineering.
custom 6 pot brembos with 14.3 inch rotors and the sachs remote reservoir adjustable coil overs.
titanium exhuast with true dual piping that leads to a large single collector, with the oil coolers for the diff in the rear.
this car is no joke, its got the hardware of a full race car, but its still has the practicality of a plain jane gtr.
and to be honest with you, the nsx-rgt is very ugly. the plain jane nsx-r looks much better and for honda to have the nerve to charge 5x the amount for basically the same car is ridiculous.
__________________ finally 13.5 psi with a JWT ecu and nismo 555cc injectors. new power estimate ?????????
new mods include removed fan clutch, larger 3 inch exhuaust, and a larger front mounter intercooler.
95 nissan 240sx KA24DE turbo.
232 wheel hp and 254 ft lb of torque at the wheels @9psi wow thats as much power at the wheels as a 350Z!
BOOST IS BETTER CREW #2
"n/a is like having infinite turbo lag"
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| illegal_eagle187 |
2005-06-20 12:29:00 |
Re: Acura Nsx R-GT vs R34 Nismo Z-Tune
i'd say the skyline would take the nsx, but thats my opinion
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| BlackGT2000 |
2005-06-20 15:43:00 |
Re: Acura Nsx R-GT vs R34 Nismo Z-Tune
Well the NSX R-GT is just the latest example of an NSX having a horrible price to performance ratio. I am not surprised about that. I am not really the biggest fan of the skyline Z tune either, although an amazing car, I just tend not to like it because everyone else always talks up the regular skyline so much. I do think the NSX looks better, but in this comparrison the Skyline Ztune is clearly a better performer by a long shot.
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| drunken monkey |
2005-06-20 17:14:00 |
Re: Acura Nsx R-GT vs R34 Nismo Z-Tune
that is exactly my point.
one is a tuned car meant for performance.
one is JUST a car with a new and horribly expensive carbon fibre body for homologation.
of course one is going to be faster than the other....
with that in mind, i'd still say that US$500,000 is a tad too much and for the most part, totally unnecessary when the normal nsx is enough.
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| jcsaleen |
2005-06-20 17:20:00 |
Re: Re: Acura Nsx R-GT vs R34 Nismo Z-Tune
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Originally Posted by drunken monkey
with that in mind, i'd still say that US$500,000 is a tad too much and for the most part, totally unnecessary when the normal nsx is enough.
Same It's the "supposed" value to collectors.... thats why the price is so high. The number was originaly 5 production nsx's but bumped to 30 because 3 B.A.R members already own 1 each. 2 of them are Jenson. B and T. Sato.
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| kman10587 |
2005-06-20 19:05:00 |
Re: Acura Nsx R-GT vs R34 Nismo Z-Tune
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that is exactly my point.
one is a tuned car meant for performance.
one is JUST a car with a new and horribly expensive carbon fibre body for homologation.
of course one is going to be faster than the other....
That was my point too. Of course the Z-Tune performs better, but it'll never be able to match the NSX's image of prestige, exclusivity, and exoticness. The fact that the Z-Tune performs better is irrelevant to the casual observer, who will undoubtedly see and perceive the NSX as the better car.
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