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Discussion Title:  an "advanced" question (spark that is) mechanical vs. vacuum

Ragtop_Renegade

2005-05-17 21:19:00

an "advanced" question (spark that is) mechanical vs. vacuum

When it comes to choices, mine always, um.... suck. So here I am faced with yet another choice, vacuum or mechanical advance distributor. So, here I am seeking the help of those compled to read this post. Please share your choice and why you like (or hate) it. Please include some details about your application. Mine's a carburated Chevy 60 degree V6 for passenger car use.

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sierrap615

2005-05-18 00:28:00

Re: an "advanced" question (spark that is) mechanical vs. vacuum

personially, i perfur DIS

why not get both?

a mechanical advance uses centrifical force to advance the spark timing at higher RPM

a vacuum advance alters the timing (i can't remember advance or retard) during crusing(closed throttle, miniual engine load) for economy/emissions.



curtis73

2005-05-18 04:39:00

Re: an "advanced" question (spark that is) mechanical vs. vacuum

You just caught me after an intense period of ignition tuning. I just got done tuning up a 454 and learning tons.

Basically, you should have both. Mechanical advance is strictly based on RPM. It makes sense since there needs to be more spark advance at higher RPMs. Vacuum advance is not necessary, but it sure is nice. Since the amount of advance can be greater under periods of low load, the vacuum advance responds to that need. The more foot you have in it, the less vacuum is created and therefore the less advance generated.

You can tailor a mechanical advance for the perfect curve and leave it alone, but you lack two very important things; 1) maximum efficiency. The lack of extra advance under part load wastes BTUs available from the fuel, and 2) the vacuum advance... provided its ported vacuum... provides very necessary advance during acceleration. On a dyno, the engine will make the same power with or without a vacuum advance since it measures power once the engine achieves RPM. In a car (street or race) the acceleration of the car will be affected by how accurately the ignition curve meets the peak requirements of the engine. Hence why vacuum advance is important.

In fact, on my 454, we ended up locking out the mechanical advance and running entirely vacuum. We discovered after serious testing that the engine responded well to 38 degrees all over the place. We could have left it at that, but by adding vacuum advance, we added as much as another 12 degrees at part throttle, which (in my case) added 3 MPGs to my cruise fuel economy.



sierrap615

2005-05-19 02:04:00

Re: an "advanced" question (spark that is) mechanical vs. vacuum

good info curtis, alot better then i could explain.



Ragtop_Renegade

2005-05-19 14:59:00

Re: an "advanced" question (spark that is) mechanical vs. vacuum

I agree, curtis made excellent points. Vacuum it is... and as an extra bonus, there's one less vacuum port for me to cap off.

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sierrap615

2005-05-19 21:45:00

Re: an "advanced" question (spark that is) mechanical vs. vacuum

remember curtis said only after much tuning did they ditch the mechanical advance, i would still but one with both, then modifity it as needed. most distributors are in some way adjustible.



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