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Discussion Title: Question on Hydrogen Engine
| aarganesh |
2005-06-05 13:15:00 |
Re: Re: Re: Question on Hydrogen Engine
WOW...that provokes me for TWO many questions... Quote:
Originally Posted by sierrap615
i don't know where the technology is at in the india auto market, but overhere in the states, as well as in japan and europe, we have been using a setup like that for decades, we call it Electronic Fuel Injection. where there is a computer(commonly called the Powertrain control module or Electronic control module) that uses sensors to measure amount of intake air, throttle position, engine speed, vehicle speed, and engine tempature, as well as a feedback oxygen sensor in the exhaust. the computer then takes that information and compares it to "fuel maps" that are programmed into the computer's memory, and then controls the amount of fuel delivered using electionic fuel injectiors(which are basicly just PWM solenoids)
India is far behind all these technologies. We are running cars with MPFI and very few sensors. The highest would be somewhere 10-12 sensors. While Chevrolet, Toyota, Honda, Skoda, Ford & Hyundai have just come into market in less than 5 years. The oldest is Hyundai for about 7-8 from now. Most of these cars like Honda-CRV, Ford-Explorer, Hyundai-Accent, Elantra, Sonata, Toyota-Corolla etc have far below standard features and low class materials used although they are international models.
Is Electronic Fuel Injection different from Multi Point Fuel Injection? Is yes how?[QUOTE=sierrap615]is that what you are thinking about? then all you would need to do is alter the fuel maps for hydrogen instead of gasoline, and use special fuel injectiors i assume.
You got me right, I'm thinking about only this. So is this possible?
TIA
Ganesh .R
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| aarganesh |
2005-06-07 23:40:00 |
Re: Question on Hydrogen Engine
Possible?
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| sierrap615 |
2005-06-08 00:27:00 |
Re: Re: Re: Re: Question on Hydrogen Engine
MPFI is a style of EFI
possible? yes. easy? no
if you really wanted to do this i would start with a carbratior setup, or hydrogen assisting a standard gasoline EFI
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| aarganesh |
2005-06-09 21:52:00 |
| aarganesh |
2005-06-09 22:22:00 |
Re: Re: Question on Hydrogen Engine
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Originally Posted by Schister66
another engine that i read about that runs on hydrogen is the Renesis Rotary engine from Mazda. I did a research paper on it and that engine seemed to work the best because of the 3 chamber design.
Plz have a look at this interesting article. BMW's innovation...
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/bmw-h2r.htm
http://www.bmwtransact.com/hydrogen...m_objective.htm
Plz let me know what you think.
Regards
Ganesh .R
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| Steel |
2005-06-10 21:25:00 |
Re: Question on Hydrogen Engine
Bah. Producing and storing hydrogen is a waste of energy. There are far better solutions to the energy/pollution problems out there than freakin hydrogen.
case in point:
It will always take more energy to isolate hydrogen than you will get back from oxidizing it.
Even the best containers tend to lose aobut 7% of its hydrogen per day of storage. Imagine your gastank leaking out a few cups overnight
An accident? Extreme high pressure cylinders of explosive gas? No thank you.
What do you get when you oxidize hydrogen and oxygen? Water. What does water do to the innards of engines.. and exhausts..
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| beef_bourito |
2005-06-10 21:47:00 |
Re: Question on Hydrogen Engine
What about using hydrogen as a power adder? if you run F/I instead of adding more fuel, add hydrogen. The only problem I see with that (other than having a compressed highly explosive gas in the car) is the flame could be too hot and melt stuff if there's too much hydrogen.
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| aarganesh |
2005-06-11 00:53:00 |
Re: Re: Question on Hydrogen Engine
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steel
Bah. Producing and storing hydrogen is a waste of energy. There are far better solutions to the energy/pollution problems out there than freakin hydrogen.
case in point:
It will always take more energy to isolate hydrogen than you will get back from oxidizing it.
Even the best containers tend to lose aobut 7% of its hydrogen per day of storage. Imagine your gastank leaking out a few cups overnight
An accident? Extreme high pressure cylinders of explosive gas? No thank you.
What do you get when you oxidize hydrogen and oxygen? Water. What does water do to the innards of engines.. and exhausts..
hmmm...So what do you think as an alternate to fossil fuels/hydrogen?
PS - When Henry Ford first invented an automobile, the world (America) lauged at him telling how can something move without horses!!!
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