Okay,

Last time I posted in here I said I was going to get 2 12" Image DymanicsID V3's. Well, I've sound deadened every sq. inch if the car, and this was the next step in my plan. I was going to try and do that in the next year or so. Then Saturday came and I went to the Phoenix Gold Friends and Family sale at their wherehouse at their headqaurters here in Portland. I saw some pretty good deals, and so I got some pretty good deals.

I picked up 2 10" Xenon DVC4 ohm subs for $65 each

I also picked up 2 12" Octane ZR DVC 2 ohm subs for $60 each.

Now, these arn't for the same car, so don't worry, LOL. I know they arn't the ID ma'x but for $60 each...I went for it, lol. Aanyways...now on the the amp question. All are Class D monoblock amps. Pay no mind to price in the links I can get them al pretty much cheaper than what they list on the site for.

I am going to runt eh Xenon 10" subs off or a Xenon X1200.1 amp most likely (stupidly passed up on it for $300 @ the sale but can get it still for $425.87).

For the 12's I have a few questions though. I have 2 amps in mind. I can get the Octane-R 15.0:1 amp (1000rms @ 14.4 @ 2 ohms) for $283.91.

I also was thinking about the MTX 801D (800 watts RMS @ 2 ohms) for $254.95.

So, for the 2 [ url=http://www.cardomain.com/item/PHOZR12D2] 12" Octane ZR DVC 2 ohm subs[/url], (ran in series, then in parrell...so...700 rms @ 2 ohms), would you recommend the Phoenix Gold Octane-R amp or the MTX Thunder 801D amp. Is one better than the other at all, more sturdy, etc? Any opions on these 2? The Octane-R 15.0:1 would lok better in the trunk (and I do show the car during the summer, so that does mater some). However, I don't want to buy a less stable amp or an inferior one becuase it matchs better. The chrome on he 801D really doesn' match any theme on the car since I hate chrome and have none on it, but if it's a better amp, so be it, I can live with it. I want to know which you feel is a better amp?

For the record, I will be properly tuning all the amps whe n I get them in the various cars eventualy with a multimeter and a 60 hz test tone to the the required voltage for the proper tuned output. The multimeter on should read 37.5 volts at the termials to pull 700 watts @ a 2 ohm load from the MTX 801D, for example ...and the Xenon should read 60 volts at the termials to pull 900 watts RMS @ 2 ohms from the X1200.1.

Anyways, so opinons on the 2 amps (which has better qaulity/build/better..etc,) the MTX 801D and Octane 15.0:1, for the 2 Octane ZR DVC 2 ohm subs ran @ 2 ohms? They are both brand new and pretty close in price...$254.95 and $283.91, so thats not a problem.

Also, the Boxes for both the 10's and the 12's are in line according to Phoenx Golds recommendations for Sound Quality set-ups.

Thanks for the help.

Someday, maybe next year's audio project, I'll get higher powered 6.5" speakers and a new higher RMS powered 4 channel amp. Right now I have an Eclipse 3640 (160 watts, 40 * 4 rms @ 13.8 volts). The speakers are mostly 60 watts rms...well...I actually have a few to choose between, the Octane ZR 6.5 components from the sale are 75 rms, the coaxles are 60 watts RMS (Intifty Referance 6002i and Octane-R coaxles from the sale for $40 are both 60 rms, which doesn't matter I guess since the amp is 40, so they will never see it, lol). Oh well, can't complain, that amp was free

i would say pheonix gold, there a reliable company nad make nice product,s eveyrone i know that has them loves it. cant say much about MTX, ive never heard or used there amps.

I also would go for the Pheonix Gold amp. Many people on here have poo poo'd the MTXs when others have asked, so I've come to get a negative vibe whenever they're suggested.

Another suggestion would be to get a high quality 5 channel amp that puts out a decent amount (500 - 800 watts rms) in the sub channel and has 75 - 100 watts on each other channel. Just an idea to save space in your car.

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Originally Posted by Diceman83
I also would go for the Pheonix Gold amp. Many people on here have poo poo'd the MTXs when others have asked, so I've come to get a negative vibe whenever they're suggested.

Another suggestion would be to get a high quality 5 channel amp that puts out a decent amount (500 - 800 watts rms) in the sub channel and has 75 - 100 watts on each other channel. Just an idea to save space in your car.

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Alright, I am able to get the Phoneix Gold amps for less than I origanally thought with a full warrenty, so I am going to get the Phoneix Gold amp, and then replace my current 4 channel amp with the matching PG 4-channel also. Besides, everything will be matching then.

I've just put a 1" MDF False Floor down, so now I'm going to start building a good, nice looking box, amp rack, wrap them and lay the trunk carpeting down...etc....thanks for the input. I have to have this all done for a show in 2 weeks. I'm already going to miss the first 2 shows of the season finishing up, but I'll have it done buy the 3rd show in about 2 weeks.

a 24 dB/oct linkwitz-riley is two 12 dB/oct butterworths cascaded together.

I prefer phoenix gold myself, especially to MTX.

Could we see some pics of all that stuff you were talking about?

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Hey Paul...I feel better about the Phoenix Gold now that you've recommended it! That's what I ended up getting, Pheonix Gold. I got the Octane-R amps (1000rms mono-class D and 300 rms (75*4) Octane-R amps today...I'll get the Xenon amp later n the summer and put the Xenon's in another car....or just swap it in once I get it. I figured since I'll end up with all 3 anyways @ some point, and the car is already wired for the Octane-R amps (conisidence), I'd get those now and then the Xenon amp later, and then the wiring for that @ the same time. I do kinda wish I'd gotten the Xenon amp...but oh well...maybe by winter that'll be in and these will be in another car...

Anyways, yeah...I'll try and get a pic of everything soon, all bunched togther and stuff...un-installed but still.

While I'm at it, I am looking into High Output amps, ones that are built using all new parts made for high output, not a re-packed coil...I have found 2 compaines that do this and people seem to recommend...Ohio Generator and Wrangler Preformance NW...which happens to be like 10 miles from my home. Anyways, the price is similer. Both make a "bolt on" (I know, not a true "bolt-on", I have to change the charge wire, belt, etc...but it bolts onto the locaton and takes the stock plug) high output amp for my car, highest is about 170 ampers for the blt on, bu tthats more than enough and will give me a little extra.

Does anyone have any experience or recommendations between these 2 companies? Paul, you know your stuff well...do you have any input? For the record, the Pheonix Gold Tech Dept recommended Wrangler Performace NW (both ppl I have talked to in the tech dept recommended them). MTX recommended Ohio Gen and Wrangler Performance NW (one guy in the tech dept recommended each, lol). Most of the stereo shops arund here run Wranlger Performance (makes sense, since they are located here...lol). A few other palces recommneded Ohio Gen (Kinetik, etc). Anyways, so I am really not sure who to use for that, other than the fact Wrangler is closer.

Thanks for your help guys!

I'll try to get some pics of everything this weekend.

Phoenix Gold>MTX IMO, but don't be so quick to diss MTX's higher end amps. They are some very solid amps. I just stay away from their lower line amps and their subs.

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Phoenix Gold>MTX IMO, but don't be so quick to diss MTX's higher end amps. They are some very solid amps. I just stay away from their lower line amps and their subs.

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it might be easier and cheaper on you to get the one made close by - maybe you get a direct factory discount. Are you really sure you need a bigger alternator ? might wanna try it without one first. The last thing to remember is that many HO alternators put out less than a stock alt at idle, might wanna check that out first.

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it might be easier and cheaper on you to get the one made close by - maybe you get a direct factory discount. Are you really sure you need a bigger alternator ? might wanna try it without one first. The last thing to remember is that many HO alternators put out less than a stock alt at idle, might wanna check that out first.

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